Sunni Answers to Shiapen: The Names of Imam Ali (as)’s Sons


Sunni Answers to Shiapen: The Names of Imam Ali (as)’s Son.

In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful.

This is our refutation of infamous Shiawebsite “Shiapen.com” which was formerly known as Answering-Ansar.org. The following is a response to ShiaPen’s article entitled: The Names of Imam Ali (as)’s Sons.

In this article, ShiaPen are on damage control. It was their goal to minimize and downplay the accepted fact that `Ali(ra) named his sons Abu Bakr, `Umar, and `Uthman. This was done through multiple methods. We have divided this article in the following sections:

Section 1: Answer to the claim of famous Arabs having the Name Abu Bakr.

Section 2: Did `Ali(ra) Name his Son `Uthman Due to his Love for `Uthman bin Madh’oun?

Section 3: Why did Ali(ra) name his son Umar?

Section 4: Did the Prophet(saw) Name his Son Abd Al-Uzza?

Section 5: The names of the Children of the first three rightly-guided Caliphs and the objection related to it.

Section 6: Sunnah of Ahlelbayt in naming their children.

Section 7: The name “Umar” in the progeny of Ali(ra).

Section 8: Imams from Ahlelbayt named their daughters ‘Aisha’.

Section 9: Did Ali(ra) named his sons Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman due to these being common Arab names?.

Section 10: The Bogus claim of following the Ahlelbayt by Rafidah.

 

Section 1: Answer to the claim of famous Arabs having the Name Abu Bakr.

ShiaPen started off by listing the names of “famous Arabs” that were referred to as Abu Bakr. With the existence of this list, they plan to establish that this is a common name, and the very circulation of it casts doubt that `Ali named his sons after Abu Bakr.

ShiaPen Stated:

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In Ahl’ul Sunnah’s authority work Al Isaba Volume four “Dhikr ‘Abu Bakr” Ibn Barr states:
The first was Abu Bakr bin Quhafa, the second Abu Bakr bin Shuab Laisy and the third was Abu Bakr Nafee bin al Harith Saqfi.

In the Risala Taseemee’thul Isma page 4 we read that the grandson of Prophet Ilyas (as) was called Abu Bakr.

If our opponents are still not convinced then we shall cite Sibt Ibn Jauzi al Hanafi’s “Tadhkirathul Khawwas, under the Chapter “Dhikr Abu Bakr” who provides a complete list of those individuals that were called Abu Bakr along with the tribe that they belonged to:
1. Abu Bakr bin Abdur Rahman Mukhdhoomee
2. Abu Bakr bin Hamam al Hameeree
3. Abu Bakr bin Muhammad bin Muslim Qurshee
4. Abu Bakr bin Abi Maleeka al Timeemee
5. Abu Bakr bin Sireen
6. Abu Bakr bin Marwan ibn Muhammad al Thathree
7. Abu Bakr Younis bin Bakeer al Shaybanee
8. Abu Bakr al Bahili
9. Abu Bakr al Sakhthayanai

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Answer:

Simply quoting the above demonstrates the incompetence of the ShiaPen team. Firstly, Al-Isaba was not authored by “Ibn Barr”, who ShiaPen has incorrectly transliterated from Ibn `Abd Al-Barr. The book was in fact written by Ibn Hajar.

They then made more mistakes in listing out the names of those that were referred to as Abu Bakr. The first is Abu Bakr Al-Sideeq, Ibn Abi Quhafa, whom they have called Ibn Quhafa. The second was Abu Bakr bin Sha’oob Al-Laythi. The third man on the list is Abu Bakrah, whom they have referred to as “Abu Bakr”, these are two different names.

ShiaPen then quoted some strange source called “Taseemeeth’ul Isma”, which makes absolutely no sense in Arabic, so we weren’t able to find the text quoted therein. Regardless, one would need to prove that the prophet Ilyas (as), or more importantly, his grandson, was an Arab before even attributing the name “Abu Bakr” to him, until then this is no more than a “story” in a random unknown book.

Finally, ShiaPen list out a group of nine people, those that were named Abu Bakr. The list cannot be found in Sibt Ibn Al-Jawzi’s Tathkhirat Al-Khawas, which once again demonstrates the incompetence of ShiaPen. They quoted a text which is not found in the source they named.

Ironically though, upon further inspection, we found that all of these men were actually born after the death of Abu Bakr al-Sideeq. Making the list useless even if quoted properly.

  1. Abu Bakr bin Abdur Rahman Mukhdhoomee (He was born in the time of `Umar)
    2. Abu Bakr bin Hamam al Hameeree (He was born in the year 126 AH)
    3. Abu Bakr bin Muhammad bin Muslim Qurshee (He was born after the year 50 AH)
    4. Abu Bakr bin Abi Maleeka al Timeemee (He was from the Tabi’een, died in the year 118 AH)
    5. Abu Bakr bin Sireen (He was born in the time of `Uthman)
    6. Abu Bakr bin Marwan ibn Muhammad al Thathree (He was born in147 AH)
    7. Abu Bakr Younis bin Bakeer al Shaybanee (He was from the atba’a al-tabi’een, died in 199 AH)
    8. Abu Bakr al Bahili (there are multiple scholars with this name, all were born at least a century after Abu Bakr al-Sideeq)
    9. Abu Bakr al Sakhthayanai (He was born in the year 66 AH)

For those that are not aware, the names above are the names of major Sunni scholars, including `Abdulrazaq Al-San’aani, Al-Zuhri, Ayoub Al-Sakhtiyani, Ibn Abi Maleeka, and Yunus the student of Ibn Ishaaq.

In this we are in agreement with ShiaPen, that after the death of Abu Bakr, his name became extremely famous, and many great scholars were named Abu Bakr (meaning father of young camel).

On the other hand, we have proven in this chapter that there were only two people during the time of the Prophet(saw) that were called Abu Bakr. The first is Abu Bakr Al-Siddeeq and the second is Abu Bakr bin Sha’oub. When returning to the reference provided by ShiaPen, namely Al-Isaba, we find that Abu Bakr bin Sha’oub was a non-Muslim that fought the Muslims in Badr, and recited poetry in memory of the dead Kuffar. Ibn Hajar then quotes Ibn Hisham who stated that this man became a Muslim for a period of time, and then became an apostate once again.

We’re sure that the deep hatred of today’s Rafidhi Imamiyyah, will push them to believe that `Ali named his son after an evil apostate heretic instead of the successor(Khalifa) of Rasul-Allah (saw), Imam Abu Bakr al-Sideeq (ra).

In conclusion, we can safely say that `Ali named his son Abu Bakr after Al-Sideeq, for the name was only shared by one other person in his time, which was an apostate. We can also be certain that unlike the common names of the time `Umar and `Uthman, there were no companions of the Prophet(saw) that were referred to as Abu Bakr.
There is no doubt that `Ali loved Abu Bakr to the extent that he preferred him over himself.

Moreover, Some uninformed Shia try to argue that Ali(ra) would have kept the name of his Child as Abdullah if he wanted to keep it after the name of Abu Bakr(ra), because the real name of Abu Bakr was “Abdullah”,  however this is a totally lame excuse, these people aren’t aware that the name Abu Bakr was a Kuniya and He was known and famous with this name, this is the reason we find in Prophetic traditions that Abu Bakr is referred by his kuniya not his real name Abdullah. Same goes for Abu huraira(ra), this wasn’t his real name. Therefore, Ali(ra) was being specific when he named his son Abu Bakr, that he is keeping it after the name  of Abu Bakr as-sideeq(ra), because he was famous with his Kuniya not his real name. [Note: Ali even had a son with the name Abdullah].

We add that some Imami Shia scholars said that `Ali named his son Abu Bakr out of Taqiyyah, in one of their narrations `Ali says he named his son Abu Bakr so that when he praises the man out of Taqiyyah, he’d be praising his own son, yet in another narration from their books that one cannot use the name of the enemies of Ahlul-Bayt, which are all clearly weak excuses concocted by their ancient leaders and scholars

In the Shia book of “Sulaym bin Qays” pg.302, they wrote that `Ali (ra) said:

إني قد سميت ثلاثة بنين لي أبا بكر وعمر وعثمان ، فإذا سمعتموني أترحم على أحد من أئمة الضلالة فإني أعني بذلك بني

[I have called three sons of mine as: Abu Bakr, `Umar and `Uthman. So if you hear me praise any of the leaders of misguidance, then know that I mean my sons.]

Then contemporary Shia scholars like al-Sistani would write in their books of Fiqh that:

كما يكره تسميته باسماء اعداء الاَئمّة صلوات الله عليهم

[It is also disliked to call him(the new born) with the names of the enemies of the Imams peace be upon them.]

Sadly `Ali (ra) has beaten you to it, he named his own sons after the names of his supposed enemies.

Shia scholar al-Sayyid `Ali al-Shahrastani said in his book “al-Tasmiyat” pg.7 that it was `Umar (ra) who forced `Ali (ra) to name his son after him:

و الامام استجاب لطلب عمر لأنه (عليه السلام) لو لم يقبل بذلك لتسببت له مشاكل كثيرة هو في غنى عنها لان الإسلام في مرحلة التأسيس وعليه الحفاظ على بيضة الإسلام.

[The Imam(as) only accepted the request of `Umar, because if he didn’t then it would have caused him many problems that he couldn’t deal with at the time, since Islam was still in its first stages and he had to guard the egg of Islam.]

So dear readers, we see various desperate attempts to make an excuse to how `Ali (ra) named his sons after his enemies, and we expected ShiaPen to do just that, a desperate attempt to prove that `Ali (ra) randomly chose those three names, without it having any meaning.

May Allah save us from ignorance.

If we look at the Prophet’s clan, no Hashimites were named Abu Bakr. Suddenly, after Abu Bakr became Caliph, then Ali named his son after him, and then this practice continued amongst the others amongst the Hashimites, including the descendants of Ahlel Bayt. Shaykh Ehsan Elahi Zaheer said: “A perusal of the books by Shia scholars reveals that nobody among the Bani Hashim had ever named their son Abu Bakr before Ali…Ali was not the only one who was moved by feelings of love and sincerity for Abu Bakr to name his sons after him. The practice survived among his children (i.e. the descendants of Ahlel Bayt) who named their sons after Abu Bakr with the same zeal and enthusiasm.”

 

Section 2: Did `Ali(ra) Name his Son `Uthman Due to his Love for `Uthman bin Madh’oun?

The quick answer is that there are no evidences that suggest this. ShiaPen point to a narration in Bihar Al-Anwar:

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We should point out that in our Shi’a text Bihar al Anwar, Volume 45 page 38 we read the testimony of Imam ‘`Ali (as) that he named one of his sons `Uthman because on the day he was born he (as) stated:

إنما سميته بأسم أخي عثمان بن مظعون

`Ali (a.s) said:’ I named him after my brother `Uthman bin Madhoon’

This is why the name `Uthman was kept by Imam ‘`Ali (as) it does not prove `Uthman bin Affan’s merit, not even in the slightest.

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However, upon returning to the source, we found that this attribution was taken from Maqatil Al-T`Alibeeyeen by Al-Asbahani, who is a nobody, he himself has failed to provide a source, and the narration has no chain of transmission. And a narration without a chain is like a body without a head. Therefore, one has no choice but to reject this information as dubious.

We on the other hand have a Shia source that says otherwise, this source is superior since it was written by a respectable Zaydi Shia scholar, Zaydiyyah are not known for being notorious liars like the Imami Rafidhah, and this source actually has a chain!

Zaydi Shia scholar of Hadith al-Murshid Billah narrates with his chain in al-Amali al-Ithneeniyyah 1/488 that `Ali (ra) says that he named after `Uthman ibn `Affan (ra) and `Umar bin al-Khattab (ra) and al-`Abbas (ra) the uncle of the Prophet (SAWS):

أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو الْحُسَيْنِ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِسْحَاقَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ قَادَوَيْهِ الْعَدْلُ بِقِرَاءَتِي عَلَيْهِ فِيْ جَامِعِ الْكُوْفَةِ، قَالَ:
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحِيْمِ بْنِ أَبِي السُّرِّي البَّكَّاي، قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ -يَعْنِي الْحَضْرَمِيَّ- قَالَ:
حَدَّثَنَا عَبَّادُ بْنُ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ الْعَرْزَمِيُّ، قَالَ: حَدَّثَنِي عَمِّي، عَنْ أَبِيْهِ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ قَيْسٍ، عَنْ
عَطِيَّةَ.عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيْدٍ الْخُدَرِيِّ، قَالَ: نَظَرْتُ إِلَى غُلاَمٍ حِيْنَ ارْتَفَقَتْ لَهُ ذُؤَابَةٌ وَجَمَّةُ جَعْدِةِ، وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ أَنِّي
مِنْهُ لَفِي شَكٍّ أَغُلاَمٌ هُوَ أَمْ جَارِيَةٌ، فَمَرَرْتُ بِأَحْسَنَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ جَالِسٌ إِلَى جَنْبِ عَلِيٍّ ، فَقُلْتُ لَهُ: عَافَاكَ
اللَّهُ مَنْ هَذَا الْفَتَى إِلَى جَنْبِكَ ؟ قَالَ: هَذَا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ، سَمَّيْتُهُ بِاسْمِ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ عَفَّانَ، وَقَدْ سَمَّيْتُ
بِعُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ، وَقَدْ سَمَّيْتُ بِعَبَّاسٍ عَمِّ رَسُوْلِ اللَّهِ – صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلَهُ وَسَلَّمَ-، وَقَدْ سَمَّيْتُ بِخَيْرِ
البَرِيَّةِ – مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلَهُ وَسَلَّمَ-، فَأَمَّا الْحَسَنُ وَالْحُسَيْنُ وَمُحَسِّنٌ فَإِنَّمَا رَسُوْلُ اللَّهِ – صَلَّى
اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلَهُ وَسَلَّمَ- سَمَّاهُمْ وَعَقَّ عَنْهُمْ وَحَلَقَ رُؤُوْسَهُمْ وَتَصَدَّقَ بِوَزْنِهَا وَأَمَرَ بِهِمْ فُسُرُّوا وَخُتِنُوْا.

[We were told by abu al-Husayn Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Muhammad bin Qadawayh al-`Adl, after I narrated in front of him in the Masjid of al-Kufa, he said: `Ali bin `Abdul-Rahim bin abi al-Sarriy al-Bakkari told me, he said: Muhammad bin `Abdullah -meaning al-Hadrami- told me, he said: `Abbad bin Ahmad bin `Abdul-Rahman al-`Arzami told me, he said: My uncle told me, from his father, from `Amro bin Qays, from `Atiyyah, from abu Sa`eed al-Khudari that he said: “I saw a young boy with beautiful bangs, by Allah I was in doubt as to whether he was a boy or a female servant, then I passed by one who was even better looking as he sat besides `Ali, I asked: “May Allah make you safe, who is this young one besides you?” He replied: “This is `Uthman bin `Ali, I named him after `Uthman bin `Affan, and I had also named others after `Umar bin al-Khattab and al-`Abbas the uncle of Rasul-Allah (saw). I have also named after the best of creation Muhammad (saw), as for al-Hasan and al-Husayn and Muhassin, it was Rasul-Allah (saw) who named them and did `Aqiqah and shaved their heads and donated an equal weight etc…]

As for the Sunni source then, in the old classical Sunni history book Tareekh Madinat Dimashq by ibn `Asakir 45/304, under the biography of `Umar bin `Ali ibn abi Talib, we read:

أخبرنا أبو عبد الله محمد بن إبراهيم النشابي أنا أبو الفضل أحمد بن عبد المنعم بن أحمد بن بندار أنا أبو الحسن العتيقي أنا أبو الحسن الدارقطني نا أبو بكر الشافعي نا عبد الله بن ناجية نا عباد بن أحمد العرزمي نا عمي عن أبيه عن عمرو بن قيس عن عطية عن أبي سعيد قال مررت بغلام له ذؤابة وجمة إلى جنب علي بن أبي طالب فقلت ما هذا الصبي إلى جانبك قال هذا عثمان بن علي سميته بعثمان بن عفان وقد سميته بعمر بن الخطاب وسميت بعباس عم النبي ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) وسميت بخير البرية محمد ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) فأما حسن وحسين ومحسن فإنما سماهم رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) وعق عنهم وحلق رؤوسهم وتصدق بوزنها وأمر بهم فسروا وختنوا

[We were told by abu `Abdullah Muhammad bin Ibrahim al-Nashabi: abu al-Fadl Ahmad bin `Abdul-Mun`im bin Ahmad bin Bindar told us, abu al-Hasan al-`Atiqi told us, abu al-Hasan al-Daraqutni told us, abu Bakr al-Shafi`i told us, `Abdullah ibn Najiyah told us, `Abbad bin Ahmad al-`Arzami told us: My uncle told me, from his father, from `Amro bin Qays, from `Atiyyah, from abu Sa`eed: I passed by a young boy with bangs sitting next to `Ali ibn abi Talib, so I said: “Who is the boy next to you?” He answered: “This is `Uthman bin `Ali, I called him after `Uthman bin `Affan, and I called(others) after `Umar bin al-Khattab, and I called after al-`Abbas the uncle of Rasul-Allah (saw), and I called after the best of creation Muhammad (saw). As for al-Hasan and al-Husayn and Muhassin, it was the messenger of Allah (saw) who named them and did `Aqiqah for them and shaved their heads etc…]

Similarly we read in al Mukhtasar min kitab al Muwafaqah bayn Ahlul-Bayt wal Sahaba:

عن أبي سعيد الخدري: نظرت إلى غلام أيفع, له ذؤابة وجمة , والله يعلم أني منه حينئذ لفي شك، ما أدري غلام هو أم جارية، فمررنا بأحسن منه وهو جالس إلى جنب على فقلت: عافاك الله، من هذا الفتى إلى جانبك؟ قال: هذا عثمان بن على سميته بعثمان بن عفان، وقد سميت بعمر بن الخطاب، وسميت بعباس عم رسول الله، وقد سميت بخير البرية محمد، فأما حسن وحسين ومحسن فإنما سماهم رسول الله وعقَّ عنهم وحلق رءوسهم, وتصدق وزنها وأمر بهم
فسموا وختنوا

It was reported from Abu Saeed al-Khudri, he once saw a beautiful boy near Ali, and asked who that is? Ali answered: “This is Uthman ibn Ali. I named him after Uthman ibn Affan. I also named my children after Umar ibn al-Khattab, uncle of prophet (Peace be upon him) – Abbas, and after the chief of all creation – Muhammad (Peace be upon him). As for al-al-Hasan and al-Husayn and Muhsin, they were named by prophet (Peace be upon him)” [Ali Muhammad as-SalabiSiratul Amiralmuminin Ali ibn Abu Talib” p 226] المختصر من كتاب الموافقة، ص 141 [al Mukhtasar min kitab al Muwafaqah bayn Ahlul-Bayt wal Sahabah by al Zamakhshari, page 141]

Hence, we say that the chain-less report Shiapen quoted is not different than the fabricated report from their other book, where we read that, `Ali (ra) said:

إني قد سميت ثلاثة بنين لي أبا بكر وعمر وعثمان ، فإذا سمعتموني أترحم على أحد من أئمة الضلالة فإني أعني بذلك بني

[I have called three sons of mine as: Abu Bakr, `Umar and `Uthman. So if you hear me praise any of the leaders of misguidance, then know that I mean my sons.](Shia book “Sulaym bin Qays” pg.302).

These are some lame excuses made-up by the predecessors of Shiapen, to make a damage control from the fact that Ali(ra) named his sons Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman.

Uthman bin Affan(ra) was the virtuous man who gained the privilege of marrying two biological daughters of a Prophet, no man ever in the history gain this privelege. Uthman(ra) also the same man, to guard whom Ali(ra) sent his beloved sons Hassan(ra) and Hussain(ra), during the time of fitnah. Therefore, when Prophet(saw) can marry his daughters to Uthman(ra) one after the other, and Ali(ra) can station his two sons to guard Uthman(ra), then it shouldn’t be shocking for Shiapen to find Ali(ra) naming his son after Uthman bin Affan(ra).

Also, we know for a fact that `Ali did not have any loved ones named Abu Bakr, unless the ShiaPen are insinuating that `Ali loved Abu Bakr ibn Sha’oub, the apostate.

 

Section 3: Why did Ali(ra) name his son Umar?

Shiapen then states:

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With regards to Imam ‘Ali (as)’s son Umar, we should point out that one of Imam ‘Ali (as) close Sahaba was Umar the son of Umm’ul momineen Salma (ra). Umar was brought up by Rasulullah(s) and he fought alongside Imam ‘Ali (as) at Jamal, and was in fact one of his commanders during that battle. During his reign Imam ‘Ali (as) appointed him as Governor over Bahrain and Faris.

To prove our point we suggest our opponents consult Asada al Ghabah Volume 4 page 134 under the letter “Ayn”. We assert that Imam ‘Ali (as) named his son Umar after this great faithful commander.

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Reply 1:

We can see the desperate attempts of ‘Shiapen’ to deny an established fact of Ali(ra) naming his son Umar, after the name of Umar bin Khattab(ra), which is proven from the reports which have a chain. For example, in the old classical Sunni history book Tareekh Madinat Dimashq by ibn `Asakir 45/304, under the biography of `Umar bin `Ali ibn abi Talib, we read:

أخبرنا أبو عبد الله محمد بن إبراهيم النشابي أنا أبو الفضل أحمد بن عبد المنعم بن أحمد بن بندار أنا أبو الحسن العتيقي أنا أبو الحسن الدارقطني نا أبو بكر الشافعي نا عبد الله بن ناجية نا عباد بن أحمد العرزمي نا عمي عن أبيه عن عمرو بن قيس عن عطية عن أبي سعيد قال مررت بغلام له ذؤابة وجمة إلى جنب علي بن أبي طالب فقلت ما هذا الصبي إلى جانبك قال هذا عثمان بن علي سميته بعثمان بن عفان وقد سميته بعمر بن الخطاب وسميت بعباس عم النبي ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) وسميت بخير البرية محمد ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) فأما حسن وحسين ومحسن فإنما سماهم رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) وعق عنهم وحلق رؤوسهم وتصدق بوزنها وأمر بهم فسروا وختنوا

[We were told by abu `Abdullah Muhammad bin Ibrahim al-Nashabi: abu al-Fadl Ahmad bin `Abdul-Mun`im bin Ahmad bin Bindar told us, abu al-Hasan al-`Atiqi told us, abu al-Hasan al-Daraqutni told us, abu Bakr al-Shafi`i told us, `Abdullah ibn Najiyah told us, `Abbad bin Ahmad al-`Arzami told us: My uncle told me, from his father, from `Amro bin Qays, from `Atiyyah, from abu Sa`eed: I passed by a young boy with bangs sitting next to `Ali ibn abi Talib, so I said: “Who is the boy next to you?” He answered: “This is `Uthman bin `Ali, I called him after `Uthman bin `Affan, and I called(others) after `Umar bin al-Khattab, and I called after al-`Abbas the uncle of Rasul-Allah (saw), and I called after the best of creation Muhammad (saw). As for al-Hasan and al-Husayn and Muhassin, it was the messenger of Allah (saw) who named them and did `Aqiqah for them and shaved their heads etc…]

Shiapen is so desperate that it is using speculations inorder to reject a fact proven from reports. Moreover, there were many other companions of Ali(ra), who were superior to Umar bin Umm Salama, and he could have conveniently given their name to his son. As for Umar bin Umm Salama, then the Shipen should have atleast cited the merits and virtues of this man in specific, from their own books, to support their guesswork of Ali(ra) naming his son after Umar bin Umm Salama, which they failed to provide.

And if the Umar bin Umm Salama is compared with Umar bin Khattab in regards to virtues and merits, then it becomes crystal clear that, it was Umar bin Khattab(ra) on whose name Ali(ra) named his son, as Umar. Since the merits of Umar bin Umm Salama are  a no match against Umar bin Khattab.

Let us remind Shiapen of few points which can be used as a strong proof for us, to believe that Ali(ra) named his son, Umar after the name of Umar bin Khattab(ra).

(i). In the mutawattir hadeeth we find that, Ali(ra) said, the best people after Prophet(saw) are Abu Bakr(ra) and Umar(ra). (ii). After the death of Umar(ra), Ali(ra) went towards the deathbed of Umar, and said, that He would like to imitate the deeds of Umar(ra).[Bukhari]. (iii). Ali(ra) reported that, Umar(ra) is the master of the first and last middle-aged people in paradise.[Silsila as-saheeha]. (iv). Ali(ra) married his daughter to Umar bin Khattab(ra). (v). Umar(ra) participated in Badr, Uhud, and other major battles against the disbelievers, etcetera.

Considering these facts and many more, Umar bin Umm Salama is no match against Umar bin Khattab. Therefore, Shiapen should stop making baseless speculations which contradict historical reports as well as rationale.

Lastly, we say that these desperate excuses of Shiapen, are much worse than the excuses their predecessors concocted. Like we read in the Shia book “Sulaym bin Qays” pg.302, they wrote that `Ali (ra) said:

إني قد سميت ثلاثة بنين لي أبا بكر وعمر وعثمان ، فإذا سمعتموني أترحم على أحد من أئمة الضلالة فإني أعني بذلك بني

[I have called three sons of mine as: Abu Bakr, `Umar and `Uthman. So if you hear me praise any of the leaders of misguidance, then know that I mean my sons.]

Similarly, Shia scholar al-Sayyid `Ali al-Shahrastani said in his book “al-Tasmiyat” pg.7 that it was `Umar (ra) who forced `Ali (ra) to name his son after him:

و الامام استجاب لطلب عمر لأنه (عليه السلام) لو لم يقبل بذلك لتسببت له مشاكل كثيرة هو في غنى عنها لان الإسلام في مرحلة التأسيس وعليه الحفاظ على بيضة الإسلام.

[The Imam(as) only accepted the request of `Umar, because if he didn’t then it would have caused him many problems that he couldn’t deal with at the time, since Islam was still in its first stages and he had to guard the egg of Islam.]

We realize from the Shia report and the excuse of Shiapen’s predecessors that, even they knew that, the name of Ali’s son as Umar could never be explained or proven to be on the name of any other Arab except Umar bin Khattab(ra), this is the reason they concocted a better excuse than Shiapen. And these are some lame excuses made-up by the Shia, to make a damage control from the fact that Ali(ra) named his son Umar.

Also, we know for a fact that `Ali did not have any loved ones named Abu Bakr, unless the ShiaPen are insinuating that `Ali loved Abu Bakr ibn Sha’oub, the apostate.

Reply 2:

Indeed, Abu Bakr was the first Caliph of the Muslims, Umar was the second, and Uthman was the third. As such, these names became very familiar to the people. To give a contemporary example, there are certain figures today who are spoken about on a first name basis, and nobody questions who it refers to. For example, people like Oprah, Madonna, Saddam, Usamah, etc. They are such famous people that they are simply known by their first name. Similarly, the first three Caliphs (as well as the fourth) were known by their first names, such was their fame in the society. They were the top lieutenants of the Prophet of Islam, and they were even related to the Prophet through marriage. But more than that, they became the Caliphs of the Ummah; Umar was known as Ameer al-Mu’mineen, such was his fame!

Therefore, it is an established fact, that the names Abu Bakr, Umar, etc. were unambiguous much like Oprah, Madonna, etc. are unambiguous today. In fact, if we glance at the Hadith literature (both Sunni and Shia), we find that when someone like Umar ibn al-Khattab is mentioned, then oftentimes he is mentioned simply as “Umar”, but when a man with the same name is mentioned, then the narrator will always disambiguate by saying his full name, i.e. Umar bin + father’s name. For example, Ali’s son was referred to in the books of Hadith and history books as Umar ibn Ali or even Umar ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib. If the name “Umar” was said alone, then the narrator more often than not meant Umar ibn al-Khattab, and if it was in reference to Ali’s son, then he would be referred to explicitly as Umar ibn Ali to disambiguate.

The fact that Umar ibn al-Khattab could be simply referred to as “Umar” without anything added to that shows that when the name “Umar” was mentioned, the first thing that “popped” into peoples’ minds was none other than the second Caliph. When Ali named his children with the names of Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman, of course this was in reference to the first three Caliphs and nobody had any doubt in that.

 

Section 4: Did the Prophet(saw) Name his Son Abd Al-Uzza?

ShiaPen argued:

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If the claim is that Imam ‘`Ali (as) named his sons after these three then Hanafi scholar Shibli Numani in Seerathun Nabi Volume 1 page 191 quotes Imam Bukhari’s “Tareekh al Sagheer” that Rasulullah (s) named one of his sons Abdul Uzza

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The narration is weak and unreliable due to two flaws. The first is that the first narrator in this narration is Isma’eel bin Abi Uwais, who has been weakened by several scholars like Yahya bin Ma’een in one of his opinions, Al-Nasa’ee, Al-Daraqutni, and others, while even some of those that have praised him, referred to him as a fool, like Abu Hatim Al-Razi. See his biography in Tahtheeb Al-Tahtheeb.

The second issue is that Hisham bin Urwa narrates this hadith in a disconnected form. Hisham was born during the time of Mu’awiyah, and so his narration of something that happened back before the revelation is historically unacceptable. Since he was born decades after the incident he is narrating.

So we conclude that this desperate defense of what is known today as Tashayyu` is a failure in every sense of the word.

 

Section 5: The names of the Children of the first three rightly-guided Caliphs and the objection related to it.

The children of first rightly-guided Caliph – Imam Abu Bakr as-siddeeq(ra):

Imam Abu bakr(ra) had a total of four wives, who bore for him six children: Three sons and three daughters.

Abdur Rahman ibn Abu Bakr ; Abdullah ibn Abu Bakr ; Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr ; Asma bint Abu Bakr ; Ayesha bint Abu Bakr[The mother of believers] ; Umm Kulthum bint Abu Bakr.

[Source: Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq, by Shiekh Ali Muhammad as-Sallabi, pg: 36-39]

The children of second rightly-guided Caliph – Imam Umar ibn al-Khattab(ra) :

Imam Umar(ra) had a total of 13 children. Their names were: Zayd the elder, Zayd the younger, Asim, Abdullah, Abdur-Rahman the elder, Abdur-Rahman the middle one, Abdur-Rahman the younger, Ubaydullah, Iyad, Hafsah[The mother of believers], Ruqayyah, Zaynab and Fatimah.

Umar(ra) married Umm Hakeem bint al-Harith ibn Hisham, who bore him daughter Fatimah.

[Source: Umar bin al-Khattab, by Shiekh Ali Muhammad as-Sallabi, vol1, pg: 44]

The children of third rightly-guided Caliph – Imam Uthman ibn Affan(ra):

He had nine sons from five wives. They were: Abd-Allah, whose mother was Ruqayyah the daughter of the Messenger of Allah(saw). ; ‘Abd-Allah the younger, whose mother was Fakhitah bint Ghazwan; ‘Amr, whose mother was Umm ‘Amr bint Jundub; Khalid whose mother was Umm ‘Amr bint Jundub; Aban, whose mother was Umm’Amr bint Jundub; ‘Umar, whose mother was Umm ‘Amr bint Jundub; Al-Waleed, whose mother was Fatimah bint al-Waleed al-Makhzoomiyyah ; ‘Abd al-Malik, whose mother was Umm al-Baneen bint ‘Uyaynah ibn Husn.; And it was said that Na’ilah bint al Farafisah bore ‘Uthman a son who was named Anbasah. He had seven daughters from five wives, including: Maryam, whose mother was Umm ‘Amr bint Jundub; Umm Sa’eed, whose mother was Fatimah bint al-Waleed ibn ‘Abd Shams al- Makhzoomiyyah; ‘Aa’ishah whose mother was Ramlah bint Shaybah ibn Rabee’ah; Maryam bint ‘Uthman, whose mother was Na’ilah bint al-Farafisah; and Umm al-Baneen, whose mother was a concubine (umm walad).

[Source: Uthman bin Affan, by Shiekh Ali Muhammad as-Sallabi, ch: 1, pg: 4-6]

Shia Argument:     

Why didn’t the first three Caliphs – Abu Bakr(ra), Umar(ra) and Uthman(ra), name their children after the names of Ahlelbayt?

Answer:

Firstly, the repeated names found in the names of the children of Caliphs are Abdullah and Abdur Rahman. Prophet(saw) said: “The most beloved of names to Allah are ‘Abdullah and ‘Abdur-Rahman.”[ Sunan Ibn Majah #3728 (Sahih)].

Similarly we read in Shia book:

Rasool Allah(saw) declared from the pulpit that the best names are four ; (1) Abdullah (2) Abdur Rahman (3) Haarisa (4) Hamaam, And worst names are also four; (1) Zarraar (2) Marrah (3) Harb (4) Zaalim. [ Book: Khisaal , Al Kisa Publishers. Page : 133, Author: Sheikh al Sudooq]

Therefore, two sons of Abu Bakr(ra) were named Abdur Rahman and Abdullah, the other one was Muhammad, which was the name of Prophet(saw). Asma was born before Islam, and Aisha(as) was born in the initial period of Islam. As for the his last daughter, then it was Umm Kulthum, and this was the name of one of the daughter of Prophet(saw).

As for children of Umar(ra), then again we find the name Abdullah and Abdur Rahman in them, as for the name Zayd, then it was the name of his beloved brother Zayd bin Khattab and it was also shared by the adopted and beloved son of Prophet(saw), Zayd bin Harithah . And interestingly, three daughters of Umar were named, Ruqayyah, Zaynab and Fatima, which were the names of daughters of Prophet(saw) and the name Fatima was also shared by his sister Fatima bint Khattab.

Now, though Umar(ra) naming his daughter as Fatima, engraves the Shia objection, but we know, this won’t convince them because their claims and objections are just to distract the people from the main subject of Ali(ra) naming his children on the names of first three caliphs, since it’s like a thorn in their eyes. If we say that Umar(ra) named his daughter Fatima(ra), they would certainly jump to a new argument, because their main goal is to divert the people from the fact that Ali(ra) named his children after names of the three Caliphs.

`Ali was born in the year 18 before Hijrah because he died in the year 40 AH as is popular and his age was 58 according to the most accurate reports. (Which shows he was around 6-7 years old when he embraced Islam)
`Uthman was born in the year 47 before Hijrah.
`Umar was born in the year 40 before Hijrah.
Abu Bakr was born in the year 50 before Hijrah.

In other words `Ali was young enough to be their kid, so the odds of them naming their kids after him is really low, in fact they all had kids before `Ali became popular for any merits. He on the other hand named his kids after them as they were senior Sahabah and the elders and leaders of the believers.

Secondly, the most important point which invalidates the Shia objection is that, though a person giving his children certain names is a proof that there were certain individuals with the same name who were revered by that person, but at the same time, that person not naming his children on the names of people who are beloved to him and are revered by him, doesn’t imply that he dislikes them, unless that person himself states that he doesn’t want to give his children certain names. It’s not necessary to show your love towards a person  by giving the same name to your child.  It’s just that Ali DID name his children after the 3 caliphs, and this is bothering the Shia, since they don’t expect something like this. To give the readers a better example, we give them the example of Abu bakr and Umar, Abu Bakr didn’t name his children Umar, nor did Umar name his children Abu Bakr, but that doesn’t mean Abu Bakr didn’t love Umar or Umar didn’t love Abu Bakr.

Therefore, we know that, Ali(ra) didn’t name any of his children, Miqdad, Abu dharr, Imran, Abu Talib, Hamza, etc, obviously it doesn’t mean that he dislikes these people. However Ali(ra) and the other Shia Imams, naming their children as Muhammad, Abbas, Jafar, Abu bakr, Umar, Uthman, shows that Ali and the other Shia Imams were moved by the feelings of love for certain individuals with these names, so they named their sons after these people.

 

Section 6: Sunnah of Ahlelbayt in naming their children.

As per the teaching of Ahlelbayt, giving names good to children is an act of kindness towards them. We read:

قال امام موسی کاظم: اول ما یبر الرجل ولده أن یسمیه باسم حسن فلیحسن أحدکم اسم ولده
Imam Mûsâ ibn Ja‘far al-Kazim said: The very first act of kindness of a man towards his son is to give him a good name, so keep good names for your children.  [Shia books Al-Kafi v.6, p.18, no.3 ; Wasail Shia vol.15, pg.122]

(I). Children of the fourth rightly-guided Caliph – Imam Ali ibn abi Talib(ra) from the Shia sources:

عمدة الطالب – ابن عنبة – ص 64 – 71
قال محمد بن محمد – يعنى نفسه – مات من أولاد على ” ع ” الذكور وهم تسعة عشر ستة في حياته وورثه منهم ثلاثة عشر قتل منهم بالطف ستة والله أعلم . ( والعقب ) من أمير المؤمنين على ” ع ” في خمسة رجال الحسن والحسين ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس شهيد الطف ، وعمر الأطرف فلنذكر أعقابهم في خمسة فصول .
الفصل الأول في ذكر عقب السبط الشهيد أبى محمد الحسن بن علي بن أبي طالبع..منهم أبو بكر وعمر . وقال الموضح النسابة : عبد الله هو أبو بكر . وقال أبو نصر البخاري : أولد الحسن بن علي ثلاثة عشر ذكرا وست بنات . منهم عمر

`Umdat al-Talib – Ibn `Anabah – p64,71.
Muhammad ibn Muhammad said – meaning himself – : Those who died from the children of `Ali PBUH from the males are nineteen, six in his life and thirteen inherited him and out of them six died in Karbala and Allah knows best. The progeny of Ameer al Mumineen `Ali PBUH was in five men: Hassan, Hussein, Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiya, al-`Abbas the martyr of Karbala and `Umar al-Atraf and we shall mention their progeny in five chapters.
First chapter in mentioning the progeny of al-Sabt al-Shaheed Abu Muhammad al-Hassan bn `Ali bin abi Talib PBUH (…) from them Abu Bakr and `Umar. al-Muwaddih al Nasabah said: `Abdullah is Abu Bakr, Abu Nasr al-Bukhari said: al-Hassan bin `Ali had thirteen sons and six daughters from them is `Umar.

الإرشاد – الشيخ المفيد – ج 1 – ص 354 – 356
ذكر أولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام وعددهم وأسمائهم ومختصر من أخبارهم. فأولاد أمير المؤمنين صلوات الله عليه سبعة وعشرون ولدا ذكرا وأنثى : منهم عمر ورقية كانا توأمين ، وأمهما أم حبيب بنت ربيعة . والعباس وجعفر وعثمان و عبد الله الشهداء مع أخيهم الحسين ابن علي صلوات الله عليه وعليهم بطف كربلاء ، أمهم أم البنين بنت حزام بن خالد بن دارم . ومحمد الأصغر المكنى أبا بكر وعبيد الله الشهيدان مع أخيهما الحسين عليه السلام بالطف ، أمهما ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية .

al-Irshad – Sheikh al-Mufid – 1/354,356.
Mentioning the children of Ameer al-Mumineen PBUH and their number and their names and a brief summary of their lives. He PBUH had twenty seven children: from them is `Umar and Ruqayyah who were twins, their mother was Umm Habib bint Rabe`ah. al-`Abbas and Ja`far and `Uthman and `Abdullah were martyrs with their brother al-Hussein bin `Ali PBUT in Karbala, their mother was Umm al-Banin bint Huzam bin Khaled bin Daram. Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr and `Ubeidullah are martyrs with their brother al-Hussein PBUH in Karbala, their mother is Leila bint Mas`oud al-Daramiyah.

شرح إحقاق الحق – السيد المرعشي – ج 32 – ص 674 – 680
تزوج علي بن أبي طالب أم البنين بنت حزام من بني عامر بن كلاب فولدت له العباس وجعفرا وعبدالله وعثمان . وليلى بنت مسعود التيمية فولدت عبد الله وأبا بكر . والصهباء بنت ربيعة من بني جشم بن بكر وهي أم ولد من سبي تغلب فولدت له عمر ورقية . وكان النسل من ولده الخمسة الحسن والحسين ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس وعمر .

Sharh Ihqaq al-Haqq – al-Sayyed al-Mur`ashi – 32/674,680.
`Ali bin abi Talib married Umm al-Banin bint Huzam from bani `Amir bin Kilab and she got him: al-`Abbas, Ja`far, `Abdullah and `Uthman(…) he married Leila bint Mas`oud al-Taymiyyah and she got him: Abu Bakr and `Abudllah (…) Also al-Sahbaa bint Rabe`ah from bani Jashm bin Bakr and she is Umm Walad the captive from Taghlub and she got him: `Umar and Ruqayyah (…) and the progeny was from five: Hassan and Hussein, Muhamad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, al-`Abbas and `Umar.

التنبيه والإشراف – المسعودي – ص 263
دفن – أي الحسين- بكربلاء من ارض العراق وله سبع وخمسون سنة ، وقتل معه من ولد أبيه ستة وهم العباس وجعفر وعثمان ومحمد الأصغر وعبد الله وأبو بكر ومن ولده ثلاثة على الأكبر وعبد الله صبي وأبو بكر بنو الحسين بن علي

al-Tanbih wal Ishraf – al-Mas`oudi – p263.
al-Hussein was buried in Karbla in Iraq and he was fifty seven years old, Those from his father’s children who died with him were six: al-`Abbas, Ja`far, `Uthman, Muhammad al-Asghar, `Abdullah, Abu Bakr. Also three of his children died: `Ali al-Akbar, `Abdullah, Abu Bakr the children of al-Hussein bin `Ali.

بحار الأنوار – العلامة المجلسي – ج 45 – ص 62 – 63
وقال ابن شهرآشوب وصاحب المناقب ومحمد بن أبي طالب : اختلفوا في عدد المقتولين من أهل البيت عليهم السلام فالأكثرون على أنهم كانوا سبعة وعشرين..من ولد علي عليه السلام تسعة : الحسين عليه السلام ، والعباس ..وعمر بن علي ، وعثمان بن علي ، وأبو بكر شك في قتله ، وأربعة من بني الحسن : أبو بكر ، وعبد الله والقاسم ، وقيل : بشر ، وقيل : عمر وكان صغيرا ، وستة من بني الحسين مع اختلاف فيه : علي الأكبر ، وإبراهيم ، وعبد الله ، ومحمد ، وحمزة ، وعلي ، وجعفر ، وعمر وزيد ، وذبح عبد الله في حجره ، ولم يذكر صاحب المناقب إلا عليا وعبد الله وأسقط ابن أبي طالب حمزة وإبراهيم وزيدا وعمر .

Bihar al-Anwar – al-Majlisi – 45/62,63.
Ibn Shahr-Ashoub and Saheb al-Manaqib and Muhammad bin abi Talib said: They differed in the number of those from ahlul-bayt who died PBUT, the majority stated twenty seven (…) from the children of `Ali PBUH are seven: Hussein, al-`Abbas (…) `Umar bin `Ali, `Uthman bin `Ali, and Abu Bakr they had doubts about him being killed, also four from the children of al-Hassan: Abu Bakr, `Abdullah, al-Qassem and they said Bishr bin al-Hassan, they also said: `Umar when he was small, Also six from the children of al-Hussein with difference of opinions: `Ali al-Akbar, Ibrahim, `Abdullah, Muammad, Hamza, `Ali, Ja`far, `Umar and Zaid. `Abdullah was slaughtered while on his lap, as for Saheb al-Manaqib he only mentioned `Ali and `Abdullah and he dropped Hamza and Ibrahim and Zaid and `Umar.

موسوعة شهادة المعصومين (ع) – لجنة الحديث في معهد باقر العلوم (ع) – ج 1 – ص 268 – 275
أولاد أمير المؤمنين سبعة وعشرون ولدا ذكرا وأنثى : منهم..عمر، عثمان، محمد الأصغر المكنى بأبى بكر.
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قال ابن الطقطقي : أعقب ( عليه السلام ) من خمسة أولاد : الحسن والحسين ( عليهما السلام ) ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس و عمر الأطرف.

Mawsou`at Shuhadaa al-Ma`soumeen PBUT – Lajnat al-Hadith fi Ma`had Baqir al-`Uloum PBUH – 1/268,275.
Children of Ameer al Mumineen are twenty seven: (…) `Umar, `Uthman, Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr. Ibn al-Taqtaqi said: He PBUH had a progeny from his five children: Hassan, Hussein PBUT Muhamad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, al-`Abbas and `Umar al-Atraf.

تاريخ أهل البيت (ع) – رواية كبار المحدثين والمؤرخين – ص 93 – 138
ولد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ). ولد لأمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ، من أم البنين بنت خالد بن يزيد الكلابية : عثمان . ومن أم حبيب التغلبية من سبي خالد ابن الوليد – : عمر . ومن ليلى بنت مسعود : أبو بكر . من أعقب من ولد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام : الحسين والحسين ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس وعمر. ولد لأمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ، من غير فاطمة : عثمان . أبو بكر . عمر . عمر الأصغر . قتل العباس ، وعثمان ، وجعفر ، وعبد الله الأكبر مع الحسين صلوات الله عليه.

Tareekh Ahlul-bayt PBUH – Riwayat Kibar al-Muhadditheen wal Mu’arrikheen – p93,138.
Ameer al-Mumineen PBUH had from his wife Umm al-Banin bint Khaled bin Yazid al-Kullabiyah: `Uthman (…) and from Umm Habib al-Taghlubiyyah from the sabi(slaves of war) of Khaled ibn al-Walid: `Umar (…) and from Leila bint Mas`oud: Abu Bakr (…) Ameer al Mu’mineen’s progeny was from his sons: Hassan, Hussein, Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, al-`Abbas and `Umar. Ameer al Mu’mieen had children from other than Fatima: (…) Abu Bakr (…) `Umar (…) `Umar al-Asghar. Those who were killed are al-Abbas and `Uthman and Ja`far (…) and `Abdullah al-Akbar with al-Hussein PBUH.

(II). Children of fifth rightly-guided Caliph – Imam al-Hassan bin `Ali ibn abi Talib(ra) from the Shia sources:

المستجاد من الإرشاد (المجموعة) – العلامة الحلي – ص 138 – 152
باب ذكر ولد الحسن بن علي عليهما السلام وعددهم وأسمائهم أولاد الحسن بن علي عليهما السلام ،خمسة عشر ولدا ذكرا وأنثى..منهم عمر واخواه القاسم وعبد الله أمهم أم ولد .

al-Mustajad min al-Irshad (al-Majmou`ah) – al-`Allamah al-Helli – p138-152:
Chapter of mentioning the children of al-Hassan bin `Ali PBUT and their numbers and names:
The children of al-Hassan bin `Ali PBUT are fifteen males and females (…) from them `Umar and his two brothers al-Qassim and `Abdullah, their mother is Umm Walad

عمدة الطالب – ابن عنبة – ص 64 – 71
الفصل الأول في ذكر عقب السبط الشهيد أبى محمد الحسن بن علي بن أبي طالب ” ع..منهم أبو بكر وعمر . وقال الموضح النسابة : عبد الله هو أبو بكر . وقال أبو نصر البخاري : أولد الحسن بن علي ثلاثة عشر ذكرا وست بنات . منهم عمر

`Umdat-ul-Talib – ibn `Anabah – p64-71:
First section, in mentioning the progeny of the martyr al-Sabt, abu Muhammad al-Hassan bin `Ali bin abi Talib (as) (…) from them Abu Bakr and `Umar, and the clarifier the scholar of genealogy said: `Abdullah is Abu Bakr. and abu Nasr al-Bukhari said: al-Hassan bin `Ali had thirteen sons and six daughters. from them is `Umar.

تاريخ أهل البيت (ع) – رواية كبار المحدثين والمؤرخين – ص 93 – 138
ولد للحسن بن علي بن عليهما السلام : …عمر . ولد علي بن الحسين عليه السلام :…عمر . ولد الحسن بن علي العسكري عليه السلام: عائشة .

Tareekh Ahlul-Bayt (as) – Narrations of the biggest scholars of Hadith and Historians – p93-138:
al-Hassan bin `Ali’s (as) children: (…) `Umar. (…) al-Hassan bin `Ali al-`Askari (as) had: `Aisha

معجم رجال الحديث للسيد الخوئي
أبو بكر بن الحسن من المستشهدين بين يدي عمه الحسين عليه السلام، ووقع التسليم عليه في زيارتي الناحية المقدسة والرجبية، ووقع اللعن على قاتله عبد الله بن عقبة الغنوي، في زيارة الناحية المقدسة.
وقال المفيد في الارشاد، في ذيل بيان شهادة القاسم بن الحسن عليهما السلام ورمى عبد الله بن عقبة الغنوي أبا بكر بن الحسن بن علي عليهما السلام، بسهم فقتله.

Mu`jam Rijal al-Hadith – abu al-Qassim al-Khu’i – 22/70:
Abu Bakr bin al-Hassan from those who martyred between the hands of his uncle al-Hussein (as), it was mentioned that Salam should be sent upon him in Ziyarat al-Nahiyah al-Muqadassah and al-Ziyarah al-Rajabiyyah. Curses were sent upon his killer `Abdullah bin `Uqbah al-Ghanawi in the Ziyarah of al-Nahiyah.
al-Mufeed said in al-Irshad at the end of the section of the martyrdom of al-Qassim bin al-Hassan peace be upon them: `Abdullah bin `Uqbah al-Ghanawi shot an arrow at Abu Bakr bin al-Hassan peace be upon them so he killed him.

(III). Children of al-Hussein bin `Ali ibn abi Talib(ra) from Shia sources:

شرح إحقاق الحق – السيد المرعشي – ج 33 – ص 659
فقتل أصحاب الحسين كلهم وفيهم بضعة عشر شابا من أهل بيته منهم من أولاد علي عليه السلام : العباس ، وجعفر ، وعثمان ، ومحمد ، وأبو بكر ومنهم من أولاد الحسين : علي ، وعبد الله ، وأبو بكر ، والقاسم .

Sharh Ihqaq al-Haqq – Sayyed al-Mur`ashi – 33/659:
All the companions of Hussein were killed and they were more than ten young men from his Ahlul-Bayt, from them the sons of `Ali (as): al-`Abbas, Ja`far, `Uthman, Muhammad and Abu Bakr. and the sons of Hussein: `Ali, `Abdullah, Abu Bakr, al-Qassim

مستدركات علم رجال الحديث – الشيخ علي النمازي الشاهرودي – ج 6 – ص 82
10979 – عمر بن الحسين بن علي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام : تقدم عند ذكر أبيه . وفي ترجمة عمرو بن الحسن ذكر منه

Mustadrakat `Ilm al-Rijal – `Ali al-Namazi al-Shahroudi – 6/82:
`Umar bin al-Hussein bin `Ali bin abi Talib (as): he was mentioned when we talked about his father. also in the Tarjamah of `Amro bin al-Hassan he was mentioned.

أعيان الشيعة – السيد محسن الأمين – ج 5 – ص 181
وقال الشريف العمري النسابة في كتاب المجدي على ما حكاه صاحب رياض العلماء : الحسن بن علي بن الحسن بن علي بن عمر بن الحسين بن علي بن أبي طالب ع يكنى أبا محمد وهو الناصر الكبير الأطروش صاحب الديلم الشاعر الفقيه المصنف له كتاب الألفاظ

A`iyan al-Shia – Muhsin al-Ameen – 5/181:
al-Shareef al-`Umari the scholar of genealogy said in his book al-Mujdi according to what the author of “Riyadh al-`Ulama’” said: al-Hassan bin `Ali bin al-Hassan bin `Ali bin `Umar bin al-Hussein bin `Ali bin abi Talib (as): he had the Kuniyah of aba Muhammad, al-Nasir al-Kabeer al-Utroush, Sahib al-Daylam, the poet and Faqih and author, he has the book al-Alfath.

التنبيه والإشراف – المسعودي – ص 263
دفن – أي الحسين- بكربلاء من ارض العراق وله سبع وخمسون سنة ، وقتل معه من ولد أبيه ستة وهم العباس وجعفر وعثمان ومحمد الأصغر وعبد الله وأبو بكر ومن ولده ثلاثة على الأكبر وعبد الله صبي وأبو بكر بنو الحسين بن علي

al-Tanbeeh wal-Ishraf – al-Mas`oudi – p263:
al-Hussein was buried in Karbala in `Iraq and he was fifty seven, with him was killed six from his father’s children (…) and from his own children three, they are: `Ali al-Akbar, `Abdullah a boy, and Abu Bakr the children of Hussein bin `Ali.

(IV). Children of `Ali Zain al-`Abideen bin al-Hussein(rah) from Shia sources:

الإرشاد – الشيخ المفيد – ج 2 – ص 155
ذكر أولاد علي بن الحسين عليهما السلام . ولد علي بن الحسين عليهما السلام خمسة عشر ولدا : محمد المكنى أبا جعفر الباقر عليه السلام، أمه أم عبد الله بنت الحسن بن علي بن أبي طالب عليهم السلام.
و عبد الله والحسن والحسين، أمهم أم ولد.
وزيد وعمر، لأم ولد.
والحسين الأصغر و عبد الرحمن وسليمان، لأم ولد.
وعلي – وكان أصغر ولد علي بن الحسين – وخديجة، أمهما أم ولد.
ومحمد الأصغر، أمه أم ولد.وفاطمة وعلية وأم كلثوم، أمهن أم ولد. .

al-Irshad – al-Mufeed – 2/155:
Mentioning the names of the children of `Ali bin al-Hussein (as):
`Ali bin al-Hussein had fifteen children: from them Zayd and `Umar by Umm Walad.

تاج المواليد (المجموعة) – الشيخ الطبرسي – ص 32 – 46
الفصل الخامس في أولاده – أي زين العابدين-  قيل كان له تسعة أولاد ذكورا ولم يكن له أنثى: محمد الباقر ع وزيد الشهيد بالكوفة وعبد الله وعبيد الله والحسن والحسين وعلى وعمر وفى رواية محدث الشام له خمسة عشر ولدا

Taj al-Mawaleed (Majmou`ah) – al-Tabrasi – p32-46:
Fifth chapter: mentioning his children:
It is said that he had nine sons and no daughters: Muhammad al-baqir (as) and Zayd the martyr in Kufa, and `Abdullah and `Ubeidullah and al-Hassan and al-Hussein and `Ali and `Umar, in another narration by the narrator of al-Sham he had fifteen children.

مستدرك سفينة البحار – الشيخ علي النمازي الشاهرودي – ج 7 – ص 385 – 391
باب أحوال أولاد علي بن الحسين ( عليه السلام ) وأزواجه. أولاده خمسة عشر : أبو جعفر محمد الباقر ( عليه السلام )..وعمر…وكان عمر بن علي بن الحسين صلوات الله عليه فاضلا جليلا واليا للصدقات أيضا ، وكان ورعا سخيا.

Mustadrak Safeenat al-Bihar – `Ali namazi Shahroudi – 7/385-391:
Chapter on the conditions of the children of `Ali bin Hussein (as) and his wives:
His children are fifteen: abu ja`far Muhammad al-baqir (as) (…) and `Umar (…), `Umar bin `Ali bin al-Hussein (as) was a venerated virtuous man responsible for Sadaqat, and he was pious and generous.

(V). Children of Ja`far al-Sadiq bin Muhammad al-Baqir (rah):

أعلام النساء للكحالة ج 4 ص 260 :
عائشة بنت جعفر الصادق من ربات العبادة والصلاح كانت تقول : وعزتك وجلالك لئن أدخلتني النار لأخذت توحيدي بيدي وأدور به على أهل النار وأقول لهم وحدته فعذبني

A`lam al-Nisa’ – al-Kahhalah – 4/260:
`Aisha bint Ja`far al-Sadiq, from the mistresses of worship and goodness, she used to say: “By your glory and greatness, if you make me enter the fire, I would grab my Tawheed with my hand and circle around the people of the fire telling them: I made Tawheed of him and he punished me.”

نور الابصار للشبلنجي ج 1 ص 386 :
في ذكر مناقب السيدة عائشة بنت جعفر الصادق . . . فأخوها موسى الكاظم . . . توفيت سنة خمس وأربعين ومائة

Noor al-Absar – al-Shabalanji – 1/386:
Mentioning the virtues of Sayyidah `Aisha bint Ja`far al-Sadiq (…) her brother is Musa al-Kathim (…) she died in the year 145 AH.

(VI). Children of Musa al Kathim bin Ja`far al Sadiq (rah):

`Aisha is from the daughters of Imam Musa and this was mentioned by many of the Shia scholars including Sheikh al Mufid in his “al-Irshad” page 303, “`Umdat al-Talib” by ibn `Anbah in the margin of page 266.

Shia scholar Ni`matullah al Jaza’eri writes in his “al-Anwar al Nu`maniyyah” 1/380:
“As for his children he has thirty seven sons and one daughter, from his sons are: `Ali al-Rida and … and his daughter `Aisha“.

al-Testeri has mentioned more from his daughters in the book “Tawarikh al-Nabi wal Aal” pages 125,126:
( فاطمة الكبرى وفاطمة الصغرى ورقية ورقية الصغرى وحكيمة وأم أبيها وأم كلثوم وأم سلمة وأم جعفر ولبانة وعلية وآمنة وحسنة وبريهة وعائشة وزينب وخديجة )

“Fatima al-Kubra, Fatima al-Sughra, Ruqayyah, Ruqayyah al-Sughra, Hakima, Umm Abiha, umm Kulthoum, Umm Salamah, Umm Ja`far, Lubanah, `Aliyyah, Aaminah, Hassanah, burayha, `Aisha, Zeinab and Khadeeja.”

كشف الغمة – ابن أبي الفتح الإربلي – ج 3 – ص 6 – 7
واما أولاده فقيل ولد له عشرون ابنا وثمان عشر بنتا وأسماء بنيه عليه السلام على الرضا..عمر .

Kashf al-Ghummah – ibn abi al-Fath al-Arbeeli – 3/6-7:
As for his children, it is said that he had twenty sons and eighteen daughters, the name of his sons is: `Ali al-Rida (…) and `Umar.

(VII). Children of `Ali al-Rida bin Musa al Kathim(rah):

الإمامة وأهل البيت – محمد بيومي مهران – ج 3 – ص 165
ذكر الخشاب ، في كتابه ” مواليد أهل البيت ” : ولد الرضا خمسة بنين وابنة واحدة ، وهم : محمد القانع والحسن وجعفر وإبراهيم والحسين ، والبنت اسمها عائشة.

al-Imamah wa Ahlul-Bayt – Muhammad Biyoumi Mehran – 3/165:
al-Khashshab mentioned in his book “Mawalid Ahlul-bayt”: al-Rida had five sons and one daughter, they are: Muhammad al-Muqni`, al-Hassan, Ja`far, Ibrahim, al-Hussein, and the daughter is called `Aisha.

شرح إحقاق الحق – السيد المرعشي – ج 28 – ص 683
أولاده – أي الرضا- عليه السلام ذكرهم جماعة من الأعلام في كتبهم : فمنهم الشريف علي فكري الحسيني القاهري في ” أحسن القصص ” ( ج 4 ص 293 ط بيروت ) قال : أولاده خمسة بنين ، وابنة واحدة وهم : محمد القانع ، والحسن ، وجعفر ، وإبراهيم ، والحسين ، والبنت اسمها عائشة .

Sharh Ihaqa al-Haqq – al-Mur`ashi – 28/683:
His sons (as) were mentioned by a group of top scholars in their books: from them is al-Shareef `Ali Fikri al-Husseini al-Qahiri in “Ahsan al-Qasas” (vol 4 p 293 Beirut print), he said: His children are five sons and one daughter, they are:  Muhammad al-Muqni`, al-Hassan, Ja`far, Ibrahim, al-Hussein, and the daughter is called `Aisha.

بحار الأنوار – العلامة المجلسي – ج 49 – ص 221 – 222
كشف الغمة : قال محمد بن طلحة : وأما أولاده فكانوا ستة خمسة ذكور وبنت واحدة ، وأسماء أولاده محمد القانع ، الحسن ، جعفر ، إبراهيم ، الحسين وعائشة . وقال عبد العزيز بن الأخضر له من الولد خمسة رجال وابنة واحدة هم محمد الامام ، وأبو محمد الحسن ، وجعفر ، وإبراهيم والحسين ، وعائشة . وقال ابن الخشاب : ولد له خمس بنين وابنة واحدة ، أسماء بنيه محمد الإمام أبو جعفر الثاني ، أبو محمد الحسن ، وجعفر ، وإبراهيم ، والحسن ، وعائشة .

Bihar al-Anwar – Majlisi – 49/221-222:
Kashf al-Ghummah: Muhammad bin Talha said: As for his children, they were six, five sons and one daughter, the sons are: Muhammad al-Muqni`, al-Hassan, Ja`far, Ibrahim, al-Hussein and `Aisha. `Abdul-`Aziz bin al-Akhdar said: he had five men and one daughter: Muhammad al-Imam, abu Muhammad al-Hassan, Ja`far, Ibrahim, al-Hussein and `Aisha.

(VIII). Children of `Ali al-Hadi bin Muhammad al-Jawad (rah):

إحقاق الحق للتستري ج 19 ص 623 :
وكان له خمسة أولاد الإمام الحسن العسكري والحسين ومحمد وجعفر وعائشة فالحسن العسكري أعقب صاحب السرداب الحجة المنتظر ولي الله الإمام محمد المهدي .

Sheikh al-Testeri in his “Ihqaq al-Haqq” 19/623:

“He(`Ali al-Hadi) had five children: Imam al-Hassan al-`Askari, al-Hussein, Muhammad, Ja`far and `Aisha…”

أعيان الشيعة للعاملي ج 2 ص 36 :
ابو الحسن علي الهادي ابن محمد الجواد…اولاده خلف من الأولاد أبا محمد الحسن ابنه الامام من بعده والحسين ومحمدا توفي في حياة ابيه وجعفرا وهو الذي ادعى الامامة بعد وفاة اخيه الحسن العسكري وعرف بجعفر الكذاب وابنته عائشة.

Sheikh al-`Amili in “A`yyan al Shia” 2/36:

“Abu al-Hassan `Ali al-Hadi ibn Muhammad al-Jawad… His children: he had the Imam after him Abu Muhammad al-Hassan, and al-Hussein, and Muhammad who died during the life of his father, and Ja`far who claimed Imamah after his brother’s death and was called the Liar, and his Daughter `Aisha.”

دلائل الإمامة للطبري ص 410 :
ذكر ولده ( عليه السلام ) أبو محمد الحسن الامام ( عليه السلام ) ، والحسين ، وجعفر ، ومن البنات ، عائشة.

Sheikh al-Tabari in “Dala’el al-Imamah” page 410:

“Mentioning his children: Abu Muhamad al-Hassan the Imam PBUH, al-Hussein, Ja`far and from the daughters is `Aisha.”

Notes and comments:

Firstly, the readers might have seen in the above texts that one person could be called by several names, this is because an Arab could be called by his Ism, or referred to by his Laqab or his Kuniyah.

Let’s take for example the first caliph of Islam

1-Name (Ism): `Abdullah ibn abi Quhafa.
2-Beloved nickname (Kuniyah): Abu Bakr.
3-Title (Laqab): al-Siddeeq (The truthful) ; Khalifat Rassul-Allah (successor of the messenger of Allah) and Thani Ithnayn (The second of the two).

Another example is the second caliph of Islam:

1- Name (Ism): `Umar ibn al-Khattab.
2- Beloved nickname (Kuniyah): Abu Hafs.
3-Title (Laqab): -al-Farouq (divider between truth and falsehood) and -Ameer al-Mu’mineen (chief of believers).

Another example we take one of the “Shia Imams” (although he wasn’t Shia):

1- Name (Ism): Ja`far bin Muhammad.
2- Beloved nickname (Kuniyah): Abu `Abdullah.
3-Title (Laqab): -al-Sadiq (the truthful)

From these three examples one can understand the old Arabian habit of calling people by their Kuniyah or Laqab or Ism

Secondly, regarding what some ignorant Shia claimed, they said “The Imams never called their sons Abu Bakr, it was only a Kuniyah”.

We say, the ignorant Shia must know that the name of Abu Bakr (ra) was `Abdullah, and all three Imams called their children `Abdullah. Also the ignorant must know that not only did they call their sons `Abdullah, but they also called them by the same exact Kuniyah as the first Caliph which is Abu Bakr.

Hopefully, this removes the delusion that some extremist Shia had that there were others who also had the name “Abu Bakr”, because there was only one man who was called `Abdullah and who was famously referred to as Abu Bakr and he is the first caliph al-Siddeeq (ra).

 

Section 7: The name “Umar” in the progeny of Ali(ra).

As per the teaching of Ahlelbayt, giving names good to children is an act of kindness towards them. We read:

قال امام موسی کاظم: اول ما یبر الرجل ولده أن یسمیه باسم حسن فلیحسن أحدکم اسم ولده
Imam Mûsâ ibn Ja‘far al-Kazim said: The very first act of kindness of a man towards his son is to give him a good name, so keep good names for your children.  [Shia books Al-Kafi v.6, p.18, no.3 ; Wasail Shia vol.15, pg.122]

Here is the list of people from the progeny of Ali(ra) who were named Umar.

من اسمه عمر من أولادهم (عليهم السلام) 1 – عمر بن الحسن المجتبى (ع).
2 – عمر بن الحسن المثنى بن الحسن المجتبى (ع).
3 – عمر بن عبد الله بن محمد بن علي العمق بن محمد بن أحمد المسور بن عبد الله بن موسى الجون بن عبد الله المحض بن الحسن المثنى بن الحسن المجتبى (ع).
4 – عمر بن إدريس بن إدريس بن عبد الله المحض بن الحسن المثنى بن الحسن المجتبى (ع).
5 – عمر بن يحيى بن يحيى بن محمد بن إدريس بن إدريس بن عبد الله المحض بن الحسن المثنى بن الحسن المجتبى (ع).
6 – عمر بن محمد بن عبد الله بن أحمد بن عيسى بن إدريس بن إدريس بن عبد الله المحض بن الحسن المثنى بن الحسن المجتبى (ع).
7 – عمر بن إسحاق بن إبراهيم الغمر بن الحسن المثنى بن الحسن المجتبى (ع).
8 – عمر بن أبي العباس محمد بن أبي علي محمد بن جعفر بن الحسن بن جعفر بن الحسن المثنى بن الحسن المجتبى (ع).
9 – عمر الأشرف بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
10 – عمر بن إسحاق بن الحسن بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
11 – عمر بن محمد بن إسماعيل بن محمد الأرقط بن عبد الله الباهر بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
12 – عمر بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأشرف بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
13 – عمر بن محمد بن عمر بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأشرف بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
14 – عمر بن علي بن عمر الأشرف بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
15 – عمر بن محمد بن عمر بن علي بن عمر الأشرف بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
16 – عمر بن الحسن الأفطس بن علي بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
17 – عمر بن علي بن عمر بن الحسن الأفطس بن علي بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
18 – عمر بن الحسين ذي الدمعة بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
19 – عمر بن يحيى بن الحسين ذي الدمعة بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
20 – عمر بن يحيى بن الحسين بن أحمد بن يحيى بن الحسين ذي الدمعة بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
21 – عمر بن محمد الفدان بن عمر بن يحيى بن الحسين ذي الدمعة بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
22 – عمر بن الحسين بن أحمد المحدث بن عمر بن يحيى بن الحسين ذي الدمعة بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع
23 – عمر بن يحيى بن أحمد بن الحسين بن أحمد المحدث بن عمر بن يحيى بن الحسين ذي الدمعة بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
24 – عمر بن يحيى بن الحسين بن أحمد المحدث بن عمر بن يحيى بن الحسين ذي الدمعة بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
25 – عمر بن محمد الغلق بن أحمد بن الحسن (الحسين) بن أحمد بن عيسى بن يحيى بن الحسين ذي الدمعة بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
26 – عمر بن عيسى المختفي بن زيد الشهيد بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
27 – عمر بن ثابت بن محمد بن علي بن الحسن بن محمد بن الحسن بن موسى حمصة بن علي بن الحسين الأصغر بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
28 – عمر بن محمد أبي الفتح بن أبي الحسين محمد بن عبيد الله بن علي بن عبيد الله بن علي العابد بن عبيد الله الأعرج بن الحسين الأصغر بن علي زين العابدين (ع).
29 – عمر بن سليمان بن عبد الله بن الحسن بن علي العريضي بن جعفر الصادق (ع).
30 – عمر بن علي بن أحمد بن علي بن عبد الله بن الحسن بن علي العريضي بن جعفر الصادق (ع).
31 – عمر بن إسماعيل بن الحسين بن محمد بن علي بن أحمد بن علي بن عبد الله بن الحسن بن علي العريضي بن جعفر الصادق (ع).
32 – عمر بن موسى الكاظم (ع).
33 – عمر بن أحمد بن الحسين بن موسى الكاظم (ع).
34 – عمر بن الحسين شيتي بن محمد الحائري بن إبراهيم المجاب بن محمد العابد بن موسى الكاظم (ع).
35 – عمر بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
36 – عمر بن جعفر الأبله بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
37 – عمر بن إسماعيل بن عمر بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
38 – عمر بن إبراهيم بن عمر بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع) 39 – عمر بن علي الطبيب بن عبيد الله بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
40 – عمر بن عبد الله بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
41 – عمر بن علي بن الحسين بن عبد الله بن محمد الصوفي بن يحيى الصوفي بن عبد الله بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
42 – عمر المنجوري بن محمد المنجوري بن عبد الله بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
43 – عمر بن القاسم بن علي المشطب بن محمد المنجوري بن عبد الله بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
44 – عمر بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر المنجوري بن محمد المنجوري بن عبد الله بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
45 – عمر بن جعفر الملك بن محمد المنجوري بن عبد الله بن محمد الأكبر بن عمر الأطرف بن علي (ع).
46 – عمر بن عبد الله بن جعفر الأصغر بن محمد الحنفية بن علي (ع).

(بحوالہ الجريدة في أصول أنساب العلويين – السيد حسين الحسيني الزرباطي – ج ٣ – ص 284 – 289).

Ali(ra) is perhaps the only person whose progeny is not empty of the name ‘Umar’ till his great grandson’s great grandson.

Ali’s son
Umar ibn Ali

Ali’s grandson
Umar ibn Hussain ibn Ali

Ali’s great grandson
Umar ibn Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali

Ali’s great grandson’s son
Umar ibn Jafar ibn Muhammad ibn Umar ibn Ali

Ali’s great grandson’s grandson
Umar ibn Hassan ibn Ali ibn Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali

Ali’s great grandson’s great grandson
Umar ibn Musa ibn Jafar ibn Baqir ibn Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali.

(Reference).

Comment: After finding the name “Umar” being repeated so many times in the progeny of Ali(ra), it can understood that, the reason behind the name Umar being used so many times wasn’t because it was a common Arab name, because why would the progeny of Ali(ra) repeatedly choose the same name out of the hundreds of other common names, which was supposedly the name of a person who oppressed them? No rational and objective mind could buy this idea, the only plausible reason for the progeny of Ali(ra) using the name ‘Umar’ is that, they wanted to refute the lies of the Rafidah and the Saba’ees, and they also wanted to show their disassociation with such people, by setting an irrefutable example. As we know that there are many reports from Ahlelbayt, where they praised Abubakr(ra) and Umar(ra) and narrated their merits, and even made statements of disassociation with the people who hate Abu Bakr(ra) and Umar(ra), yet the Rafidah reject these reports. For example a Sahih narration from Ja’afar bin Muhammad al-Sadiq(rah) who said:

بريء الله ممن تبرأ من أبي بكر و عمر

“Allah has dissociated himself from those who have dissociated themselves from Abu Bakr and Umar.”(Siyar A’alam alNubalaa 6/260).

Hence, Ahlelbayt destroyed the lies of Rafidah by setting an irrefutable proof against them by repeatedly naming their children Abu Bakr and Umar; especially the name Umar, because the greater slanders by the rafidah were made against Umar(ra).

Note: Some Shia raise a silly argument regarding Ahlelbayt naming their children Umar. They claim that the sons of Imams were named AMR , they were not named UMAR. However, a person who has basic Arabic knowledge knws that, this is a false claim because Amr when written in Arabic is written like this Amro “عمرو”  where “و ” is silent. Both Umar and Amr are not written the same way as those ignorant Shia think.

 

Section 8: Imams from Ahlelbayt named their daughters ‘Aisha’.

As per the teaching of Ahlelbayt, giving names good to children is an act of kindness towards them. We read:

قال امام موسی کاظم: اول ما یبر الرجل ولده أن یسمیه باسم حسن فلیحسن أحدکم اسم ولده
Imam Mûsâ ibn Ja‘far al-Kazim said: The very first act of kindness of a man towards his son is to give him a good name, so keep good names for your children.  [Shia books Al-Kafi v.6, p.18, no.3 ; Wasail Shia vol.15, pg.122]

Now, we shall provide purely Shia sources to confirm the fact that multiple Imams from Ahlelbayt named their daughters “Aisha”:

1. Aisha bint Musa al-Kadhim: This was the daughter of the seventh Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Musa al-Kadhim. The esteemed Shia scholar, Muhammad Taqi al-Tustari, states in Tawarikh al-Nabi wa al-Aal [p. 125-126] that Imam Musa al-Kadhim had seventeen daughters and they were named “Fatima al-Kubra, Fatima al-Sughra, Ruqayyah, Ruqayyah al-Sughra, Hakima…… Aisha, Zaynad and Khadijah.” Shaikh Mufid also mentions her in al-Irshad [p.303]. Two other strong Shia references are Umdat al-Talib of Ibn Anba [p. 266 {footnote}] and al-Anwar al-Nu`maniyya of Ni`mat Allah al-Jaza’iri [v.1, p.380]. The name of this daughter is also mentioned in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Irbili [v.2, p.90 and 217].

2. Aisha bint Ali al-Rida: This was the daughter of the eight Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Ali al-Rida. The famous Shia Qadi, Ibn al-Khashab, said in Mawalid Ahl al-Bayt: “(Imam) Al-Rida had five sons and one daughter. They were Muhammad al-Qani, al-Hasan, Jafar, Ibrahim, al-Hussain and the daughter whose name was Aisha.” This is quoted by Muhammad Taqi al-Tustari in Tawarikh al-Nabi wa al-Aal [p.128].

3. Aisha bint Jafar as-Sadiq: This was the daughter of Imam Jafar as-Sadiq, the sixth of the Infallible Imams of the Shia. This is also recorded in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Irbili [v. 2, p. 373]).

4. Aisha bint Ali al-Hadi: This was the daughter of the tenth Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Ali al-Hadi. This is mentioned by Shaikh al-Mufid in al-Irshad [p.334] and also in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Iribli [v.2, p.334]

Comment: Again we find that multiple Imams from Ahlelbayt, named their daughters “Aisha”, any objective person blessed with wisdom can understand that, this wasn’t a co-incidence that, out of hundreds and thousands of names, Imams from Ahlelbayt kept naming their daughters Aisha. The most plausible reason that Imams from Ahlelbayt kept naming their daughters Aisha, is because they wanted to make it an irrefutable proof against the Rafidah and Saba’ees who slander, hate and curse Ummul Momineen Aisha(as). Though we know the occurrence of Battle of Jamal, but that was due to misunderstandings created by the rioters, and after the battle of Jamal, things returned to normal, and Sayyida Aisha(as) was respected and held in high esteemed by Sayyidna Ali(ra), but right from that day this didn’t go down the throat of those rioters, and they kept spreading lies and false allegations against Aisha(as). This is why Ahlelbayt, made a one shot rebuttal to all those extremists, by naming their daughters Aisha.

 

Section 9: Did Ali(ra) named his sons Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman due to these being common Arab names?.

Shiapen claimed:

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If we examine the lives of the Arabs we see that the names Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman were common names, it was not exclusively reserved to a specific Arab tribe, so we would urge our opponents to at least examine in depth before arriving at a conclusion…. In summary, Ali (as) had 12 sons – some had very common names – like Ibrahim, Umar, Uthman, Abu Bakr. The latter 3 names are very common names amongst the Arabs like Tom, Dick or Harry amongst the Christians, and were common in pre-Islamic times also.

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Answer:

Firstly, we have proven that the names like Abu Bakr were not at all common at that time.

Secondly, As per the teaching of Ahlelbayt, giving names good to children is an act of kindness towards them. We read:

قال امام موسی کاظم: اول ما یبر الرجل ولده أن یسمیه باسم حسن فلیحسن أحدکم اسم ولده
Imam Mûsâ ibn Ja‘far al-Kazim said: The very first act of kindness of a man towards his son is to give him a good name, so keep good names for your children.  [Shia books Al-Kafi v.6, p.18, no.3 ; Wasail Shia vol.15, pg.122]

Which proves that these names were good names as per Ahlelbayt.

Thirdly, Shiapen claims that Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman were common names like Tom, Dick or Harry today, so it is not surprising that Ali named his sons with these names.

Our response to this is simple: If three men named Tom, Dick or Harry came to my house and killed my wife and unborn child, then I don’t think I would ever name my kids Tom, Dick or Harry. Whether or not that these are common names, the fact that these three individuals did what they did would be enough for me to stay away from these three names. Regardless of the fact that these are common names, there is no chance that a man today would name his children Tom, Dick or Harry after the murderers of his wife/child who had the same exact names, unless and until those common names are the most beloved names to Allah(eg: Abdur Rahman & Abdullah) or those common names belong to some individuals whose love and honour overcomes our hatred for the people having the same name. Now we know that, the Shia accuse Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman of oppressing Ali’s family, killing his wife and unborn child; it is therefore highly unlikely that Ali would then name his children after them, because there wasn’t any other beloved person with the name Abu Bakr on whose named Ali(ra) could have named his son.

Furthermore, if Ali named one of his sons after one of the Three Caliphs, then perhaps we could claim coincidence. But rather, Ali named three of his children after the Three Caliphs, even his children named their children after the names of Caliphs, and so on. Think about it: if Tom, Dick or Harry came into my home and killed my wife/child, do you think I would then name my children after all three of these individuals? Fine, if one of my children was named Tom, then we could claim coincidence. But suddenly when it becomes Tom, Dick, and Harry, it just seems like too big a coincidence.

Fourthly, Is it all coincidence that Ali named the majority of his sons with duplicate names, with names of family and companions? If Ali’s naming scheme was random, why can we not find other common names of Arabia? Like Zuhayr, Zubayr, Sufyan, Bilal, Amr, Yasir, Miqdad, Abu Dhar, Faris, Abu Talib, Imran, and any other of the hundreds of names…Indeed, we see that when a person names multiple sons with the same name, then this becomes clear that it is because he reveres the namesake.

We see that all of the Imams of the Shia named their children after the highly revered personalities of Islam. We see the names popping up again and again: Hasan, Husayn, Abbas, Abdullah, Qasim, Jafar, Muhammad, etc. In fact, according to Shaykh Mufid’s book al-Irshad, we find that over 90% of the children of the Imams of Ahlel Bayt were named after revered and respected Sahabah. Therefore, the argument that Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman were simply common names of the time falls to the wayside, because this same argument can then be applied to the names Hasan, Husayn, Abbas, etc. If the Shia claim that the names of the three Caliphs were very common back then, then let us retort that the names of Hasan, Husayn, etc. were far more common yet no Shia would accept that the Imams named their children after any other Hasan or any other Husayn.

We would even like to clarify that, we aren’t saying that 100% of the Imam’s children were named after revered Sahaba or Prophets, but we are saying that there was this general theme as can be clearly see in lists present in Shia books such as Shaykh Mufid’s book. Therefore, it is clear that over 90% of the children were named after respected ones. This is an undeniable pattern; so when the Imams would name their children as Abu Bakr, Umar, or Uthman, it is highly more likely that they did this after the heroes of Islam instead of simply by chance.

 

Shiapen argued:

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If keeping a name is proof of love of another person then we should point out that amongst our Ahl’ul Sunnah friends’ names such as Abdur Rahman, Ubaydullah and Ghulam Ahmad are very
common. Abdur Rahman Makhdoomee was the killer of Imam ‘Ali (as), Ubaydullah bin Ziyad was
one of the killers of Imam Husayn (as) and Ghulam Ahmad was a deviant who falsely proclaimed himself to be a Prophet.

So with these facts in mind we ask our Ahl ul Sunnah brothers:
1. Do you love Abdur Rahman killer of Imam ‘Ali(as)?
2. Do you love Ubaydullah killer of Imam Husayn(as)?
3. Do you love the false Prophet Ghulam Ahmad?

If you do not love these individuals then why do you keep these names? From here we can see
that there is no harm in keeping names, even if the same names were those of kaafirs, munafiqs
etc. To keep such names does not constitute love of a particular kaafir / munafiq / Nasibi either.

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Answer:

We do agree with ShiaPen that there are reasons that may allow one to name one’s son after the name of an enemy. The most obvious reason is the existence of a loved one that holds the same name. However, the notion that `Ali is said to have done this thrice, with three men that have supposedly usurped the Caliphate from under his legs, killed his wife and unborn child, is absolutely preposterous.

Perhaps if the matter was simply about naming his sons Umar and Uthman, then one could somehow (possibly?) pretend it was a coincidence. But when Ali names his sons after all three of the first three Rightly Guided Caliphs, then somehow it seems too much of a coincidence! Lightning cannot strike twice, let alone three times.

Also, we know for a fact that `Ali did not have any loved ones named Abu Bakr, unless the ShiaPen are insinuating that `Ali loved Abu Bakr ibn Sha’oub, the apostate.

Crucial Point about the Name “Abu Bakr”

It should be noted that “Abu Bakr” was not the first Caliph’s actual name; in fact, his actual name was Abd-Allah ibn Abu Quhafah. However, he was given the kunya (nickname) of “Abu Bakr” which means “father of young camels.” He was given this unusual nickname due to his expertise with camels. This name was uncommon during that period, as a person that time would be given this name based on his hobby of raising camels. This was much like Abu Hurayrah who was given the kunya of “father of kittens” because of his love for cats. Prior to Abu Hurayrah, that nickname was virtually unheard of, but after him, then people started naming their children “Abu Hurayrah” after him; these children would probably not share that same love for kittens, but rather it is clear they are being named for their parents’ love for Abu Hurayrah.

The point is that it would baffle the mind why Ali would also name his child “father of young camels.” The only possible explanation is that this was after Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq. No other explanation makes sense. It was not as if suddenly there were many parents who thought they would name their children “father of young camels”. Why is it that we cannot find any Imams of the Ahlel Bayt who named their children “father of horses” or “father of goats” or even “father of adult camels”? Instead, we see that they did name their children “Abu Bakr”. Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq was given this interesting nickname and others adopted the same epithet after him. Is it not interesting that Ali, Hasan, and Husayn all named their sons “father of young camels”, i.e. Abu Bakr!

The fact is that Abu Bakr is such a unique and creative name that we cannot here claim any coincidence. It surely was not a common name like Dick, Harry, and Pete, as Shiapen claim. In fact, it was an endearing name given specifically to the men, who were known for the hobby of theirs. The conclusion is that there is absolutely no doubt that Ali, Hasan, and Husayn named their sons “Abu Bakr” after none other than Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq, because this name was only shared by one other person in his time, which was an apostate.

If we look at the Prophet’s clan, no Hashimites were named Abu Bakr. Suddenly, after Abu Bakr became Caliph, then Ali named his son after him, and then this practice continued amongst the others amongst the Hashimites, including the descendants of Ahlel Bayt. Shaykh Ehsan Elahi Zaheer said: “A perusal of the books by Shia scholars reveals that nobody among the Bani Hashim had ever named their son Abu Bakr before Ali…Ali was not the only one who was moved by feelings of love and sincerity for Abu Bakr to name his sons after him. The practice survived among his children (i.e. the descendants of Ahlel Bayt) who named their sons after Abu Bakr with the same zeal and enthusiasm.”

 

Section 10: The Bogus claim of following the Ahlelbayt by Rafidah.

Shiapen argued:

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Similarly the name ‘Ali was also common place amongst the Arabs. Asadul Ghaybah cited thirteen people who were called Ali. By the time of the Nasibi Banu Ummayya regime it became an offence to keep the name ‘Ali.

In Ahl’ul Sunnah’s authority work Tahdheeb Volume 7 page 319 under the chapter “Dhikr ‘Ali bin Rahba” we read that: “During the Banu Umayyad reign when information was received that a child had been named ‘Ali, he would be killed”.

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Answer:

This is an interesting point brought up by Shiapen, which actually exposes the deviance of Rafidah from the path of Ahlelbayt.

Without delving into the reliability of the report cited by Shiapen, we say that even if it’s true, then we respond that, it is true that some people from Banu Umayyah were evil and were criminals, but that doesn’t mean all Banu umayyah were the same, there were good and righteous people among them too. The same goes for other tribes, like Bani Abbas, Bani Hashim, etc, even these tribes had good and righteous people as well as bad and evil people.

However, even if such a thing happened in the past, then Ahl us-sunnah are free from it, and the strongest proof for this is that, Ahl us-sunnah never refrained from naming their children as Ali, Hassan or Hussain, be it in the past or present. One can even find esteemed Sunni scholars with the name Ali. Infact, Ali is one of the most commonly found names amongst the Sunnis. Similarly Ahl us-sunnah never refrained from naming their children Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ayesha, be it in the land of Iraq, where people face several problems due to these names.

Praise be to Allah! Ahl us-sunnah which is the saved sect, was never influenced by the ideology of the extremists, be it those who hated Ali(ra), Fatima(ra), Hassan(ra) and Hussain(ra) OR be it those who hated Abu Bakr(ra), Ayesha(ra), Umar(ra) , and Uthman(ra). Sunnis have always taken the care of naming their children after the names of these noble and righteous personalities, as this was the Sunnah of Ahlelbayt themselves.

However, the Rafidah, went to the extreme in their hatred for some Sahaba that, they abandoned the sunnah of Ahlelbayt whom they claim to follow, since it’s the Sunnah of Ahlelbayt to name children as Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ayesha.

Not only did the rafidah abandon the Sunnah of Ahlelbayt in naming their children as Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ayesha, they went a step further in their extremism by prohibiting people from following the Sunnah of Ahlelbayt. For example we read an answer given by one of their scholar Dr Liyakatali Takim, on the popular Shiawebsite.

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QUESTION:

as salaam alaikum –

I have a brief question for you concerning the name A’isha. I am fairly new to Islam and me and my wife are expecting our first child. At any rate, I was wondering if such a name would be discouraged within the Shi’a Islamic community due to the association she had with rebelling against ‘Ali etc. or if it is a common enough name so as to not have relevence in such matters. Your advice will be much appreciated.

ANSWER:

Salaamun ‘alaykum,

Due to her actions against Imam Ali during the times of the Prophet and after his death (including the famous battle of the Camel), the followers of the ahl al-bayt are not encouraged to keep her name for their children.

Wasallamu ‘alaykum

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Is it not strange that the Shia scholars claim that the “followers of the ahl al-bayt are not encouraged to keep her name” when in fact the Ahlel Bayt themselves named their children Aisha? Was it not Imam Musa al-Kadhim, the seventh Imam of the Shia, who named his daughter Aisha? Similarly did the tenth Imam of the Shia name his only daughter as Aisha. Were the Infallible Imams of the Shia not “followers of ahl al-bayt”?

When will the Shia masses wake up? None of them are the followers of Ahlel Bayt! Their scholars claim to be followers of Ahlel Bayt but they are not the followers, but rather they stray from the Sunnah of their Imams. The Imams named their daughters Aisha, but the Shia scholars discourage that and the Shia masses deplore naming their children that. How long can the Shia operate under the illusion that they are the followers of Ahlel Bayt, when they do not follow the Sunnah of the Imams of Ahlel Bayt? In fact, the Imams of Ahlel Bayt were all Sunnis, and that is why they named their daughters Aisha; no Shia would do that!

Not only this, but the sectarian Iranian government doesn’t even allow Sunnis to follow the Sunnah of Ahlelbayt, of naming their children as Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ayesha.

Dr. Ali Rıza Gafuri [an independent researcher and writer] states:

Sunnis living in Iran are not allowed to name their children as they like. There is a book of permitted names at civil registers, and no one can pick a name that is not in this book. For instance, Iranian authorities do not allow people to choose Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, or Aisha as names for their children. Civil registers won’t put these names on ID cards. They tend to refer to the famed Persian poet Omar Khayyam as Khayyam, dropping the Omar part.

[Source: Is Iran engaging in sectarian discrimination against its Sunnis?]

The truth is clear as the Sun on a cloudless day to the objective and unbiased readers, it’s the Ahl us-Sunnah[Sunnis] who have adhered and will continue following the Sunnah of Ahlelbayt in naming their children as Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ayesha, also the other names such as Ali, Hassan, Hussain, Fatima, Abbas, Jafar, etc[Insha Allah]. And unlike the sectarian Shia governments, no Sunni ruled state prohibits Shias to name their children on the name of Ahlelbayt.

It’s one of clearest signs that, Rafidah have deviated from the path of Ahlelbayt, and their claim of following Ahlelbayt is bogus. On the top of that, these people have the audacity to criticize Sunnis for abandoning Ahlelbayt. It’s like the “pot calling kettle black”, they should have some shame.

[See how they will lie about themselves, and all that they used to forge will vanish from them.(Al-An’am 6:24)]

May Allah’s (swt) blessings be upon His Messenger, his household, and companions.

5 thoughts on “Sunni Answers to Shiapen: The Names of Imam Ali (as)’s Sons

    • Assalamalaikum,

      Currently we have three options sister.

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      • Assalamu Alaykum,

        I would like to know more about the history behind deviation of Shias (as I am trying to help a friend who became one). Can you please let me know the best way to contact you.

        Jazak’allahu khayr,

        Assalamu alaykum

      • Walaikum Salam,

        The people deviated from Quran, and claimed corruption of Quran. That is enough reason to know about their deviation.

        (i). If you want to discuss these issues in private through emails, then you may send your queries on this email address: Twelvershia@aol.com

        (ii). If you like to have a live voice chat, then you should Install zello walkie talkie on your phone now and ask your queries. Here is a short procedure for this:

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        Once downloaded and account created, search for twelvershia.net and tap add to join the group. The room will be online at around 7 GMT every Sundays.

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